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DrStrange · Post by **DrStrange** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:46 pm

Watching Barry out at Sanddollar beach down in Big Sur, you could really see how much speed he could get going.

...and there is that relative thingy hard to define...same day me watching saw several waves where if you only saw the stand ups in the line up you'd think..."semi close-outs but those guys are making the most of them" with lightning quick snap into and thru the lip re-entry behind the "unmakeable" section.

Then, Barry, taking off in essentially the same place, next wave in the set, drives thru that same "close-out" section with a few inches to spare (maybe a partial coverup), runs out a few feet ahead and carves a hard 180 degree cuttie across the bottom back toward it and suddenly tightens the arc for a smooth as silk straight up vertical thru the lip and back down and at the bottom carves around the whitewater and continues on to work the next section and the one after that. Kinda makes you go, "Hmmmm." At first glance the standup looked to be traveling faster but it was really just a quick burst of semi useless accelleration for a flashy gyration. Barry actually covered a lot more territory, smoother, faster, more powerfully and all around just plain more aesthetic.

(Hope the B'sters head don't swell too much.)

toofast · Post by **toofast** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:36 pm

Beeline... that day, any board would have been fast... even those long boards you guys ride...lol

Roy Stewart · Post by **Roy Stewart** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:27 am

jfooj wrote: From what I gather there is a cap on the velocity that any waverider can achieve on a given wave.

This is a really interesting thread. I hope that you won't mind me pointing out that there is no 'cap' on the speed which can be achieved on a given wave. The maximum speed which can be achieved on a given wave depends principally upon the amount of friction generated by the board and rider. Without friction a surfer will continue to accelerate as long as there is a wave. Friction reduction is the key to higher speed.

john - · Post by **john -** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:56 pm

Good one Roy!

I was starting to think id put this thread in the wrong spot. A part of what i was getting at was what you have identified though, i had no technical speak to articulate the idea

soooooooooooo

do kneeboards have a design quirk or genius that perhaps creates less friction than standup boards or is it low gravity of the rider

this is aside to a skillful rider who will KNOW how to generate speed due to their "skill"

im sure there is another chap with a Scottish herritage who might offer an opinion

dorje

ps: saw 2 1970's renditions of spoons in a torquay board repair and restoration shop on the weekend - theyd been there a long time - i must go back and check em out more closely. The're at "Pearl" on Bains court if any punters are down that way - a few other 70's numbers as well

quadfin · Post by **quadfin** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:38 pm

dorje wrote:Good one Roy!

I was starting to think id put this thread in the wrong spot. A part of what i was getting at was what you have identified though, i had no technical speak to articulate the idea

soooooooooooo

do kneeboards have a design quirk or genius that perhaps creates less friction than standup boards or is it low gravity of the rider

this is aside to a skillful rider who will KNOW how to generate speed due to their "skill"

im sure there is another chap with a Scottish herritage who might offer an opinion

dorje

ps: saw 2 1970's renditions of spoons in a torquay board repair and restoration shop on the weekend - theyd been there a long time - i must go back and check em out more closely. The're at "Pearl" on Bains court if any punters are down that way - a few other 70's numbers as well

I believe the right kneeboard design is quicker than a standup. Flatter rockers...quicker weighting/unweighting transformations?

Roy Stewart · Post by **Roy Stewart** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:19 pm

From the friction point of view the kneeboarder definitely has an advantage due to a low profile and thus less wind resistance.

I was wondering about differences in technique between kneeling and standing. An obvious difference is that a front facing posture gives excellent rail to rail control, better than a fore and aft standing posture.

This difference shows up more on wider boards. I notice this a lot with my longboards ( I am rather a newbie as a kneeboarder)

lowrider · Post by **lowrider** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:07 am

Hi dorje,
are those spoons for sale??
off topic a little...sorry

john - · Post by **john -** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:59 am

How do Lowrider?

I was just passing with the babe in a pram.....the chemicals and the time forced me out, but the boards look to have been gathering dust with a daddylonglegs spider or two making themselves at home in the scoop of the deck.

I cant imagine why they wouldnt given the near absolute disinterst in kneeboarding in these parts - I think they were made by Ashley who still does longs and shorts on the surf coast rd - he was into shaping kneeboards in the 70's from what ive heard

Im there every saturday for the eldest's swim lessons so I will check again but that was the first time ive seen the shop open - i will get the phone number for you - despite the fact they were on the ground against a wall, id say by the other stuff he has and his location "surf industry mecca" that theyd be worth the investigation

Roy - good and interesting point about front posture and working the rails - never really considered that myself - must mean that as a design feature kneeboarders rails have that much more consideration put into them than a standups - at least youd think due to sensitivity

dorje

fooj · Post by **fooj** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:19 am

Roy, I do believe there is a cap on velocity for a given wave. You may want to read the thread "20 statements re tri vs quad..." in the Kneeboard Design section. Start at about page 10 or so. I understand that max velocity would be acheived in freefall of the wave being ridden, ie the least friction. It seems there could be other factors which could increase velocity, but the sum of them would still have a cap. Oh yeah, please understand I don't know jacksh!t about this, hopefully others who do will chime in if they feel the need.

Perhaps kneeboarders are faster in the average velocity of a given ride. I'll buy that one. Jeff.

Steeno · Post by **Steeno** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:30 pm

still dont believe we surf faster than a surfers, our good kneelos can mix it with them........but we are not faster!!

Beeline2.0 · Post by **Beeline2.0** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:33 pm

john - · Post by **john -** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:32 pm

Beeline wrote:
Steenos wrote:still dont believe we surf faster than a surfers, our good kneelos can mix it with them........but we are not faster!!
that ends the discussion for me:

authoritative and concise!

Perhaps Beeline - but the rail to rail (from Roy's post) shape, for speed development, over the standup board might have been interesting from a shaping point of view - for the more rambling and less informed

Beeline2.0 · Post by **Beeline2.0** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:48 pm

john - · Post by **john -** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:26 pm

sorry Beeline im suffering baby induced sleep deprivation

But i was talking about me and my uninformednessed and what a shaper may have thought of Roy's idea - im also thinking about my next board and its sleeker outline - for speed

but most of all im chuffed that i got you to post again

oh and i agree with steenos

and Roy was comparing stand up stance against kneelo stance not kneelo parallel v kneelo staggered

can i get you to post again Beeline!!! - there is not much happening at the moment @ ksusa so ....to infinity and beyond

dorje

Beeline2.0 · Post by **Beeline2.0** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:54 pm