Kneeboarding At 3 G's

[Man O' War]

(Oops! Did I just attack a sacred cow?)

Red -- I'll jump in the boiling oil with you. George's surfing in "CV" is not too inspiring. It's the board: smaller and narrower with a different bottom. According to Flexman, at this point he was experimenting with the edge board concept. Personal opinion: the basic velo design is "it."

I think GG lived his own advice: nothing ventured, nothing gained. He ventured a lot and gained a lot, but not always. Wasn't it the brilliant Edison who had 1000 light bulb failures before coming across tungsten--but then the party was on! The same Edison who said, "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration." I think Greenough's comment later on that if it wasn't for the crowds he probably would have been back on velo is revealing. Sometimes venturing is venturing back.

[Man O' War]

Post Script: In all fairness, George is very happy where he's at today and is not looking back.

[Flexman]

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[RW]

Confused the hell out of me

And you about to add a PHD. Bwahahahaaa! We've already covered the territory, ya missed nuthin'. Oh....I left that bottle of scotch in safe keeping waiting for your next visit.

Is that why almost all boards in the 70's were 5 3/4 feet or so?

Good connection.

The most crucial part of the overall KB equation: George and Lis both are small guys. In fact 98% of the posterized Big Rock crew were smaller than your given estimation and were featherweights. Larger guys suffered tremendously due to this oversight.

Now readjust all that you think you know about the evolutionary process. That's why the pendulum is diametrically out of control in it's absurdity. We both saw that.




So...was yur last night's meal on the Rock better than the one you declined from us? Sure looked like all the food groups were there.

Meals with wheels...or....A Meal on wheels.


You wouldn't like a spoon......it has two distinct ends....unlike those symmetrical double-enders you brought over and struggled with.

I'll send ya a prescription.



the guy in the red shirt

[flexspoon]

What Flexman said!

[red]

and struggled with

Hey! I resemble that!
The struggle was more with my mind on the NS than the equipment. But tips about where to sit in the line up sure helped.
The last meal was good but I behaved and didn't have dessert

MTB, ManO'War, Flex(s)
I guess I need to know more about edge boards then. Has this been covered and I missed it? Does the edge refer to foam rails to the tail or to chines in the bottom? I've seen the pics but can't get enough detail out of them.
(Do I sense 2 spoon camps here?)

[Man O' War]

Red - I'm not your man on this one, but I do remember that in "The Ageless Artist" (Surfer's Journal) there was a section on Greenough's edge boards. Maybe you have it around or someone can send you a link.

[W.G. Facenda]

The early Lis boards were from 4ft 7in- 5ft then around 73 ' or so went to 5ft 2 -5ft 8 or so. The thing is the boards were total" tail riders" (riding on last 1/3 of board) so they really were not that small. Sitting that far back on the tail makes a 5ft 8 a long board.
GG's edge board in 1976 was 4'10'' and 181/4 wide .Sure ,most of these guys are small compared to the much older,wider, kneeriders of today. I think ,the style of surfing, is just as much a consideration for length of today . Also, jockeying for position and tailsliding created the need for all the length generally, as much as increased age.

[stu]

Yes please more info on the edge phenomenon
Stu

[doc]

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Here in SD, at the mere mention of Terry's name, guy's drop to their knees, light devotive candles, burn incense, and mumble all kinds of stuff to themselves. Little is known of him outside this area in the international KB community, but those who count in the industry.....know all about him. He's GG's creative twin brother walking a parallel path of exploration and creativity....simple as that.

Terry is...frickin' mindblowing. Spending one day with him will tweak everything you thought you knew about design theories and leave you stumbling around in a daze for weeks. Sadly I've watched many engage him in conversation and when, as it always does, it shifts to his work, he get's tuned out as most cannot comprehend anything he is saying. It's disappointing to watch this happen to one of the most remarakable and industrious innovators of all time within both the standup and KB communities.


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Terry's your man.....ask for his input as all the legitimate shapers around here have done. He'll point you in the right directions.:

Bumbling into this late, as ever...,.

Without embarassing the gentleman, I can only say that Terry is my hero in a lot of ways. He has been more than patient and more than kind in explaining things to me over the years . For instance...

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt ... 232e9aa4fd

His general approach to surf-craft design, experimentation and development is in stark contrast to the vast majority. I remember he started writing a 'Surfing 101' which compared very favorably with an undergraduate engineering curriculum with special emphasis on fluid dynamics and tossed in applied meteorology as a technical elective.

One of these days, I'd like to have the time to head out west, with the prime intention of listening to the man for a while. In the meanwhile, like the rest of us, I'll be reading and rereading his posts with considerable interest.

doc...

[Man O' War]

Doc,
Thanks for the link. 75 posts on kneeriding that cover all parts of the subject, morphing into 25 more on paipos, and all from a two-week slice of the first month of the New Millenium. The internet is a gift.

I'm sure everyone over here seconds your endorsement of mtb, too.

[stevea]

just about to submit a thesis on kneeboard design from fin configuration to bottom shape when out come the models(indonesian)for a fashion parade some how or other i lost my train of thought thruster quad spoon whatever works for you greenough crawford novakov parkes farrer bryant smith there boards were are diverse as their surfingnot to mention a whole lot of other kneeboard surfers who define the individuality of our discipline do what you want to be what you want be at this point in time for me its surfing a quad and living in bali thats after 25 years protecting life and property in australia in all that time i have surfed a quad of my own design i have never seen a reason to change from onshore slop to pristine ulu watu from 2ft to 8ft im having the time of my life i ll never win an open heat again im just having fun and isnt that what irs all about or am i missing something ps simons video s are great cant wait for the north shore edition in the meantime back to round 2 at the fashion parade where i expect my mind to become even more warped it s better than drugs

[ScottMac]

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[Bruce Blake]

the fat penguin?
bad name good concept at needs kneelo revision
planing area to be moved aft but concept seems to work
stole a couple of pix for the gallery have a look!


http://www.surfersvillage.com/article.asp?id_article=24