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What works & what doesn't and in what type of conditions. Got a "secret" only you and your shaper know???? Post it here... we can keep it quiet ;-)

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Post by Steeno »

All right here is my thoughts on what works for me.

I have been riding thrusters for 20 years and still do. But when the surf is small, and I mean small I get on my quad. Now my quad is not like your USA quads, my fins are up the board and are relatively small. The board also has absolutely no rocker, is 5"8 and 24" wide x 2"7/8, its a boat.
When I ride it, like all Aussie quads (fins up the board) it surfs very flat and wont go full tilt on its rail, if you push the board through a cutty it stays relatively flat compared to my thruster, and wont drive around anywhere near as deep as my thruster (without doing a 2 or 3 stage cutty). Which in small waves is perfect, because there is not enough face to drive a full rail roundhouse on. You can flick the thing around very easily, might look alright to watch but its not a full rail roundhouse. Badens surfing next to Simon's makes this very obvious. Just look at the spray line coming of the bottom of the board, if its broken then its been done in stages, if its clean all the way its a one stage turn. Also the four allows you to go flat between linking turns (awesome in small surf-faster and less drag), where as the thruster (look at simon) is complete rail-link-to rail turn.
I would tend to disagree with Erics quote, depending on the quads fin placement "The tri turns much easier on its fins whereas the quad turns better on its rails, with speed needed for the quad." My thrusters need speed or size to work but my four just needs a tweak of my arse cheek to flick it around. I do agree with the fin point, buts its a drive thing on a thruster not a turn.

Thrusters=drive rail to rail
Quads=turn flat turn

again depending on your fin placement

If I surf my quad in any waves of consequence, to go vertical I have to do a 2 stage turn to try and get up there, where as the thruster will draw a clean, sharper 1 stage turn and go straight at the lip. When you hit the lip on the quad, tweak that arse cheek and your pointing straight back down, on the thruster you have to drive back around (lots more effort needed on the thruster and it feels better)
I am a firm believer of different boards for different waves, in that footage of Simon and Baden, Simon's choice of equipment is what makes it look easier and his moves finished. I like to be able to ride every board I get to its full potential (well thats the plan) and realise in what conditions it will best perform, only to enhance my enjoyment of riding a kneelo, plus you learn more evertime you ride something different.

Andrew-I think you mixed bruces quote up....Baden actually does have a twin brother called Andrew who ripped it up on a four finner aswell, andrew won a australian title then retired from competition

Hope my mumbling made some sense. :D
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Post by Steeno »

Hi Beeline
always love reading you informative posts

Your right about my specialty quad, thats exactly what it is. But I also have an allrounder four fin aswell that was Dave Parkes but it was a little to big for him so he gave it to me to ride.

I may need to explain myself a little better, I have riden my fours in solid waves and they are able to be surfed definately, but they still turn flat and let the tail out very easily, where as the thruster will hold a harder deeper rail carve than the four. And that is very noticeable in Simon's video when he and Baden are riding the same waves. Not saying that you cant put them on a rail, I am saying the four (aussie) wont bury as deep as the thruster and stay in the water aswell at high speed. My quad is definately an all round board and is actually a more forgiving board in certain situatons, because of flat turning and tail release. Let me point out that my thruster set up has the fins closer to the tail than my four and if jamming of the top, I have to carve the board right around,(which makes for an explosive of the top-usually results in a huge rooster), this does not happen on the quad at all, my quad can be pivoted of the centre of the board without much effort to point straight back down the face(hardly ever will you see a huge spray come of a quad-amounting to the amount of force put into the reo).

And you are right again, it does have alot to do with the difference of Buds boards aswell.

Anyway, hope it still makes sense, and yes this what works for me, not everyone.

Thanks beeline

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Post by DavidW »

Steen, you did a great job in describing what I did not like about the Parkes quad that Jason ended up buying. The fin placement would not let me bury the rail like I'm used to with my regular quad set up. Turns had to be nursed or done in stages. In hind sight I bet That board would be working well in the small surf we've had lately.
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Steen or anyone,

When we were in Australia for the World Contest,I noticed that you rode a five-fin variety. It had a tri-fin look but more fins. Any comment on that design and it's performance? By the way, you were ripping on it!
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Steen - I've had a serious case of "spray envy" since seeing pictures of you and other Aussies killing it on three fins. Thanks for explaining why my four fin doesn't produce the same rooster tail. I'll sleep eaiser tonight.
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Steeno - Very informative - couldn't agree more - just what I feel about them - but because David is a freak I've posted a shot of him in the gallery!
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I also think that some people are more comfortable with a more upright body position & this really suits the 4 fin.
David always said to me "let the board run" when surfing 4 fins & he gets so much momentum through doing that - but I think I like the ability to turn on demand.
3 fins give me the sort of smooth power arc that I find so satisfying.
Single move - engage rail & drive.
You have to surf with David to really appreciate his incredible talent - I surfed in a heat with him in France back in about 92 & the speed he got in 1' 6" mush just made me want to give up & paddle in!

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Crox - great! :evil: You had to post that photo of Parkes throwing gobs of spray on his quad. Back to restless nights.
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Post by southpeakbrad »

Throwing spray is fun. I think the type of board could make a difference depending on your style, as does as speed and timing.

So, Jack and anyone else surfing Blacks tomorrow A.M., let's have a little informal "spray throwing contest". The waves should be fun. I'll put my little 5'5" twin-fin fish up against all of the quads and tris. Biggest GOB wins (gets their set wave pick when time to go in). Also, I like spray shampoos and the close up look. So if you're coming up off the bottom and I'm paddling back out over the shoulder, "CRANK IT!" I'll be right there to give a hoot.

By the way Jack, you've got me thinkin about a quad..
Having said that, I love my fish. I've had it for years and ride it in all conditions.

Does anyone else ride twinfin fishes still besides Backer and Ler??
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Hey Brad,
I haven't been on a twin since 1981, and thats when I went to a quad. I was so narrow minded about my 4 fin and design. Now that I see what people are doing and how good they ride, it has open me eyes a bit. If I had the money I would have a tri-fin / four-fin quiver. Probaly from Parkes.
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Post by southpeakbrad »

Hi Ler, Sorry about that. It must be that your fins are black and blend in with your black board and I didn't notice. Or your black board causes a type of blacking out, or blurring in my head so I, I, I... aauh. Well, whatever. I want to try a quad to see for myself cuz so many fello kneelos love em and rip on em. Seeya! -Brad
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Great discussion!

Can I throw a little more spray on this? Up until a few months ago, I have been riding only Romo Quads. Ron seems to put his fins way back on the tail. I never seemed to have much problem getting it on the rail for those hard angular turns. I recently got one of Bud's F2K fish. Last week, I dropped in on about a 7 foot face, made my bottom turn, shot up to the lip, leaned back and rotated my shoulders back towards the pocket. The board stayed flat, my feet went up in the air and I did this awesome butt slide down the face of the wave :oops:. So, does that mean that the closer the fins are to the tail, the easier it is to get on the rail?

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