20 interesting statemente re quad v tri

[scoop]

personally I feel slide could come from being too far back ..
I too often jump too far forward thus making the board harder to turn
I ride both thrusters and quads... (and now 5 fin)...though thinking about it if even further forward you would lift the fins out of the water and hence spin out of control
Just a thought

Tony

[tws]

15 pages 200 plus posts this is becoming a saga but its like an ordinary movie at the cinema but you cant walk out.
I have four boards at the moment two flashpoints pins 5'10 & and 6'2 thrusters but i had to stratch that itch the qaud was giving me. i now have two parks quads as well fish 5'10 and pin 6'0.
I love them all and change aroung all the time .

Theres seams to be a rumble of thrusters vs quads

world titles final
2 of each

I think go what gives you the rush .

I rode a thruster this week for the fist time in 4 months and surfed it the best i had ever surfed it.

TRY different boards i think it can only help your surfing and point you in the dirrection to the magical board.

[hart]

THE QUAD - why do you think it is then? from the twin to the quad - were the extra fins just for stability or is there an idea of some drive as well - is the lack of a central fin the cause of slide in a quad - thus useful for the parallel approach - ive noticed that the slide has crept into my surfing particulaly when doing a cut back since ive jumped on a quad - your comment about farrer not liking slide due to compromise of drive was of interest - i know its your opinion but it would be of interest

Hi mate..been busy.

So many good and thoughtful posts.

Mark Richards was (and is) an amazing surfer. He broke new ground in world surfing. MR was all the twinnie personified. Remember how his boards would become 'over-vertical' out of a bottom turn..his nose turned back toward the peak?..(due to the fact he overpowered his tail in the first place)..and then use the wonderful 'wounded gull' body technique to overcome it and bring the nose around and back on track?

Style personified..like no-one else I can think of in standup surfing.

Footnote: ALL GOOD SURFERS HAVE STYLE. Sorry for shouting. Sick of soliloquy.

Simon Anderson was a different surfer to MR. He drove where MR danced. Simon more powerful, Richards more poetic.

He looked for and found a different approach. Up to the individual.

I do think that quads inherently slide due to the lack of a centrally positioned fin. Every fin on a quad is at an angle.

I just want at least one fin pointing straight. Like forward. You know what I mean?

That way at least, your half a chance of going there.

Forward, I mean.. ..and up.

hart.

PS

Mark Richards used kneeboard nose templates for his twin fins. He was influenced by Crawford and supplied by Chris Crozier c. 1979

I spoke to him after I saw 'Tubular Swells' (MR surfing set to classical music) and talked about the 'dancing' bit and he was stoked that someone else had noticed.. ..as if I was the only bloody one?

[DrStrange]

Every fin on a quad is at an angle.

Not home to check right now but pretty sure one pair on my Stubb Vector is close to straight and vertical, the other more angles but not a lot.

[hart]

Dr Strange,

Perhaps I should have qualified that a little. Of all the quads I have seen on the OZ market..all the fins are at an angle.

I have only ever seen one blast in the flesh and all fins were similarly angled.

I look closely at the pics of boards posted here..and while the US boards have 'less' toe-in than boards made at home, I am positve I still read angle.

Your own observations would be welcomed however..and I am referring to only contemporary shapes. Like I've seen keel type shapes on this site..and they do seem parallel. But I am not considering those boards in context to this thread.

hart.

[barry]

Most quads have had their fins angled (that I know of) but recently Eric Schoelkopf has rearranged his 4 fin design.(too bad he has no computer) The 'new' (maybe) setup has the smaller fins in front and the larger fins in back. The rear fins are both pointed straight forward and verticle. Wayne, Mark, Tomb,Gregg Little are riding them and enjoying it. Maybe they could post the differences that they feel. I have tried Waynes new board yesterday and it gave good response, I hadnt been happy with quads before that. I usually prefer twinnies, I liked MR's 'dancing abilities' so I usually ride a twinnie while dancing to my kneelo poetry.

[surfhorn]

John at Freeline experiemented with a quad with the smaller fins in front quite a few years ago. I believe he used it mainly on standup boards and LBs and some of those were 5 fins. I think the smaller front fins were toed in.

[DrStrange]

re: Blast quad fin set-up: I'll check soon as I get home (or if Alan is on here he can post definitively).

[nwdude]

i just picked up my new rich pavel quad fish - i'm hoping it will be my " gun " for more paddling speed - my current pavel is a 5' 7", while this one is 5' 10" - rich discouraged me strenuously from going 6' - i just want to get in larger/more critical waves earlier - it was an interesting experience as i got the board as a computer shaped blank, brought it home and had it finished off by a very well respected nw boardmaker, scott rowley ( an ex kiwi ) - he had a question as to rich's penciled in fin box placements - by luck, he had just read the new large-format issue of surfer and remembered that a couple of rich's boards are advertised in there - he did measurements on the photo, and they agreed with rich's pencil marks - the trailing fins are almost parallel to the stringer, while the forward one's are much more angled in toward the nose - this is new - my 5'7'' is circa 1999 and both sets of fins are angles in and parallel to each other - we'll see how it rides -
have to get it set up with a deck pad now before test riding - got some material from mike eaton in san diego, but does anyone out there know of
of a good way to bevel the edges - i'm having a %$#@ of a time figuring out how to do it neatly and at a real gradual angle

[Beeline2.0]

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[W.G. Facenda]

tape off at edge of rubber and use 60-80grit and feather and fair by hand

[W.G. Facenda]

I just use 1/4 inch closed cellrubber now and glue with gorilla glue.it has been the simpler way overall.

[Beeline2.0]

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[W.G. Facenda]

Works great! watch out when it foams up (kinda messy tape 3" out). I use weights to hold down during cure and also tape edge. Has held up better than contact cement.Again , keep an eye on during cure it because it dries like super glue .I cleanup as it dries.

[DrStrange]

Blast Stubb Vector fins: no T-square to tell for sure but both sets look 90 degrees (perpendicular) to bottom. Front one's bigger with some toe-in and one side foiled. Rear ones smaller, lot less toe-in (but not parallel ot stringer) and both sides foiled.