Retro Fish twin

[floyd699]

have been toying with the idea of getting a twin fin fish similar to the original Lis Fish - not a small swallow tail, have heard the originals had limited rocker & didn't like to turn once a carve started & tracked a lot and could be hard to turn. Don't know how newer models go with 3/4 fin setups as opposed to the twin keel skegs. The designs seem to be coming back into vogue with some stand ups, think Rasts has a sh*tload, who aren't on the hi speed waves as many of these style of boards seem to be recommended for. Anyone got a fish they use for every day and on any type of wave ie from 2 ft slop to 6 ft barrels? Also things like rocker, twin/3/4fin, etc

[rick carne]

I, just in the last 2 months switched to a toby quadfin set up ..previously I was riding a 5-6 lis fish and had been riding fishes with the larry gebhart wood keel fins for the last 25 years and....they work well on bigger waves 4-10' not as reponsive as a quad but I still love them it takes some ummphs to turn sharp but they track verrry well in the barrel.. and the rocker is fine depending on the style you have..or like...I have 4, keel fin fishes and would never part with them my Fav is my 5-8 doubble winged lis fish with the LB keel fins if your getting a fish definetly go with a KNEEBOARD SHAPER or you'll get a surfboard not a true KB fish!

[Beeline2.0]

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[W.G. Facenda]

On the right wave( say big cojo) keel fin, Lis fish, is the fastest board in the water.....no contest. They have so much power and lift that to drive it you will have to have a certain style. Lis,Toby and most others, went to quad Lis style fish in the early eighties. I think Bud was one ,if not the first.As far as standup sub 6ft fish riders there is some incredible surfing going on out there.Rasta loves riding a fish and it shows.The lack of paddle speed sure isn't bothering that guy! Most just fall off the back when the speed kicks in. They could ride larger waves on them if they had the confidence and,or ability.The speed takes getting use to and the new tracks that allows.So most just ride weak surf and then when waves with speed come they trade the sled for a board with easy control. My brother recently saw Lis (55 yrs old) on Kauai standup surfing his quads and he said,"Steve was going incredibly high and FAST".Sure in heavy crowds a small board will be frustrating but I want to surf .....not out paddle and jocky all the dweebs.I would rather go do something else that day anyway.

[fooj]

Consider trying a modern Lis-style Quad. If two is fast, four must be faster. Like John says-you will fall off the back. This happened to me for a while until I got used to the speed. My Quad fishes never fail to astonish me with their speed. I know I haven't tapped their full potential. Its nice having a board that takes you to the place that you want to be on the wave, without loss of speed. If you use proper technique (meet Headwax) you can actually gain speed in places that you wouldn't think possible.

[john -]

[quote="Headwax

Why? In my slowly widening experience, position of the front fin determines the main fulcrum point on the quad, where as size and rake in the back fin (and flex?) more so determines the unity of the fin set up, and balances out the drag with the drive.




Wax

does your developing experience have 2 cents to offer on what would be a compatiable back fin set up to the fcs fg 700 fibreglass...im keeping the front bigger at this stage ive got plastic in their at the moment...gx or something...interestingly they are both centre fins...ive only just had the thought that perhaps they should be left and rights

[tomway]

This post is heading towards something I've been toying with for a while. If I was to grind off the twin keels from my 5'5" replica lis fish and put in a quad setup, where should I put the fins? I read here, or on swaylocks, that the quad setup should cover the same area as the twin keels did - but will I have spin out problems if I move them up further. Headwax, the quads in your photos have rear fins that start further from the tail, but the tails on your boards look like they draw in considerably more after the trailing edges of the rear fins than on my board ...and I suspect the tail is much thinner too. How far would I be safe to go?

Thanks in advance!

[tomway]

he he. Thanks very much for you (ergonomically detailed) reply Headwax! It reminded me of when I was trying to calculate (with schoolboy trig) what the pitch of the roof should be on a gazebo i was building a few months back. A local guy looked at me as if I were a freak when I asked him what he thought. He told me to walk forward one step, measured the distance between footmarks in the sand with a stick, and told me that was how much the roof should rise. It worked perfectly too!

I measured out on my board the same way you did, and the fins look like they'd be very far forward. My board is 5" shorter though. Think I'll be conservative with the measurements and put in fin boxes for each fin to give me some lee-way.

Rick Carne: could I ask whereabouts the fins on your toby quad are set?

Thanks again

[john -]

Thanks for the reply Wax...Dave mentioned using bigger back fins in larger waves yet it is interesting to know that you feel no tightness...perhaps more drive though

Since I am taking the flashie out on bigger days im happy to keep the back small on the quad...im just so happy with it

after a great christmas week of waves we hit the doldrums apart from one 5 ft day of onshores...great day for fitness and large mush expertise

tomorrow and monday look good with building swells and winds swinging offshore

hope you get some up there

cheers

[W.G. Facenda]

I disagree.

[ScottMac]

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