Dynamic Assymetry in Fins

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Dynamic Assymetry in Fins

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Dynamic assymetry:

This may be of interest to one kneelo out there in big land.

In the small waves here recently I've been finding this assymetrical setup works.

Its for the surfer who surfs with one knee forward and has one leg weaker than the other. In my case the left.

Idea is to move the fulcrum point forward to get it under the proper part of my leg. I also want to make it looser to alleviate the relative weakness in my left leg.

The front fin under my weak side (MRTFX circa 2006) is larger than the right, but has less rake and is set further forward. The lesser rake keeps the fulcrum point further forward for most of the turn. The well tuned flex in the MR helps counteract the size.

The small fin behind it acts as a stabilser and helps stop theboard sliding while adding little to the actual drive. Consquently, compared to a normal quad, when going left, you need to lock in the rail even more in front of the fin during the bottom turn - as in a traditional twinnie.

Interestingly this fin is borrowed from my circa 1983 (?) Dale ponsford shaped (no 148), Peter Ware "original 4 fin."

The dominance of the front fin in turns keeps it loose but drivey off the top.
It also helps with rentries on right handers (where they are the outside fin) because you pivot off the front fin with no interference.

Pic 1: showing general setup
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The fins under my right hand leg are a more traditional quad fin cluster.
The tabs on the front fin are set so that the fin sits further back in the plugs (this fin is molded home made job).
It has more rake which keeps the pivot point further back during the latter part of the turn.
This setup with the slightly larger back fin (and tighter cluster) gives more drive than the other set of fins.

Unfortunately the back fin is still too small to give quad boost though as you can't really push on it in the last third of the turn.
Bear in mind it's for very small waves and you don't want something too drivey at the expense of looseness.
Compromise is a way of life.

pic 2: side view of the fins to give an idea of the relative sizes. Bear in mind that th fin box fins sit further into the board than the fcs fins. The last fin on the right, hand molded, when combined with the other molded fin, gives quad boost about 70 percent of the time on this side of the board.
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another few pics:

pic 3: the difference in rake:
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pic 4: the difference in aft/nose displacemnt of the fins

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all in all you could call this a stabilized tri fin ;)

let me know if this is of interest

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next in line is a quad with a central fin box.
time to try three smaller fins on side (two quads and the centre)
and a larger fin on the other - as in a traditional tri :idea:
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Headwax...always enjoy your posts....

I favour my right side over my left (a doctor once told me I was the most right handed person they had ever seen)...

could you do such a setup on a thruster? (only have one quad with fixed fins)...

and when you have such a fin setup...it must feel way different? and different on lefts and rights...

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hi weirdo

thanks for the comment :)

When I rode a tri (till 3 years ago approx) I always had 3 fin boxes.
I had a simlar setup in those boards too.

Difference with the tri that the left hand side fin was slightly further forward but with more rake than the right hand fin. This meant that at the beginning of the turn it was looser (courtesy of the base being the dominant factor ) but in the latter part of the turn it tightened up slightly - courtesy of the rake being more dominant (as you transfer your weight slightly aft and change the long axis angle of the board in the water)

But in this quad setup you can do without the extra rake because of the small stabilser fin.

Interestingly if the trifin board was too tight, you could push the outside fins backwards slightly and the middle fin forward the same amount. This would make it looser but keeep the drive.


To do the same on fcs you just have to mold some fins up with the tabs in different places. - I did it so it must be easy.

cheers ; let me know how you go.

great waves today; I am stuffed ;) footsurfer came upto me and said he'd seen "other a lot of other kneelos but I was sweating" Must be a new term :?:
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Hmmmmm I dont know about moulding my own fins(not much of a handy man)...but have access to heaps of FCS sizes courtesy of a mate who shapes boards....might have a muck around...

so why the move from thruster to quad?... and have you tried 5 fin combo???... Its not bad if you use really small back two fins right behind the front 2 side ones!... (still get the thrust)...but handles fine...

Having read heaps of posts on here (and being a scientist)...its seems to me there aint much standardisation in kneelo design (difference in blanks, buoyancy, glassing etc) yet so many variables to deal with.....

Have a good weekend mate..... been getting sms's from mates all day about how good surf is....life is cruel...

Cheers

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Hi weirdo :)

Went from tri to quad cause I was bored and needed new stimuli after riding different tris since 1979? 80? 78?

I work 3 days a week and because of my reduced mental status I must surf at least 3 days a week ;) If you ride the same thing then :arrow: no growth.

Also Baden Smitth rips, Pat Bright too, and a visit from David Parkes a few years ago, and seeing him surf, convinced me quads weren't so evil after all.

In truth its a case of the magic sword. Hey if I have "excaliber" then I will be able to surf like (insert hot surfer's name here).

Hasn't worked yet. ;) Heh. But I am not bored.

Tried five fins but they felt relatively slow to me.

Chap in novos called Berwick rides them tho to good result.
Then again, he could ride anything I suspect.

On variables. How long is piece of string. The only way to be certain of a variable's function is with a saw - if you get my meaning. Ride the board then alter that same board - saw, hammer, resin edge. My first board was a 4 foot 2 by 19 inch, big vee'ed job with a huge maltese cross that I bought for five bucks. Guys at Maroubra used to laugh at me. After surfing for 6 months I painted it bright green and cut a swallow tail in it.
Guys still used to laugh at me then but worse.

Hey I just realised they still laugh at me. Nothing changes? :P

Surf still going off here. Life is Good. I am sunburnt.

cheers again.

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BTW

Baden Smith came up to me after my heat today.
Said some nice things about Parkes shapes then looked at my fin setup and said:

"Take those fins out Finnie, you're embaressing that board"

:)
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