epoxy boards

[krustyknee]

Does anybody have Anal birth's "Native"contact number. I'm looking to demo a epoxy board before placing an order.
Is there an epoxy kneeboard I can test ride?
Cheers
Krusty

[ss54]

Hey Krusty,the 1st port of call,I'd suggest, would be to PM him,but I see on his postings on another thread,that he has "left the building"-"Overseas" at present. . .
His mates on the N/Coast-SE Qld may be able to tune you as to when he's due back. . . those carbon boards look great(even to me,a spoon rider!)
Once again,his close mates could post a few impressions of his boards? ?
Come on boys,how about a critique ?

[krustyknee]

Thanks for the reply SS54
I own 2 Hardware Ski Tails and a 6'2'' Flashie all tri's
They all go great !! But I'm thinking of a smaller board more manoeuvrable and durable say eps
in a Bonza or a stinger tail say 5'10-6' to ride the 2'-3' beachie surf we alway seem to get on weekends here on the Central coast NSW.
last year I tested an Epoxy "Out the Back" from the sunshine coast importer
made in china by non kneeboarder C%$.p

[krustyknee]

probably right there Capt K
Most shapers are staying with polyester
Also Damage a epoxy in Indo and there is no sun cure quik fix

[ss54]

Capt K,can you expand on the "bar of soap" quote? thanks

Krusty,re your concern about dings etc in Indo,or where ever?

Can you imagine the impact needed to a Carbon/Epoxy board to require

repairs?

Sum of the reasons Shapers stay with Poly?

IMV,many shapers stay with techniques/set-ups they're comfortable/feel safe

with.Also,Poly is less durable than C/E,so there's more turnover/profit from

a poly board.Also many clients (KB's & Footboarders)ask for a board

similar to X,Y or Z is riding,not focusing on their own Surfing Evolution.

But that can be for a number of reasons-experience/skill level/money.

But a very important/true thing to remember is the words AB uses to sign

off with. . .

"Once you've tried black,you'll never go back" VERY TRUE. . .

p.s,it's only recently that I've realised he meant Carbon

[analbirth]

ss54, no flies on you eh and i haven't left the building well i did in early september have been back for 3 weeks, and krusty ever heard of epoxy putty, dries in 5-10min. quick sand your back in the water easier than resin
i didn't get the bar of soap either also my boards are "shaped" by hand
i've noticed a growing trend to use computer shapers which are a bit off the mark

[SamC]

well it looks like i'm going to go with a local guy here in San Luis Obispo named Randy Golven to save on the money factor. thanks for the input

[krustyknee]

A/Birth
What is your rate to build a board say 6'1'' x 23.5'' quad?
Is there anybody on the Central Coast with one of your Native Boards??

[ss54]

Not being a foam kneeboard rider,I've been holding off posting a reply to Capt. K's criticism of EPS boards. . .been a tad surprised no-one has posted a reply,as yet.So may as well start the ball rolling. . .
In my view,the problem; corkiness/ too buoyant in turns(that is my complaint of ALL foam KB's,thats why I ride flexspoons-all be it, with more foam than usual) is not a fault/negative of EPS,but the guys who SHAPE them !!
Because the EPS is more buoyant,they should have up to 1/4" taken OUT of the overall thickness.Think of the different "surfing experiences" that could evolve with that scenerio. . .Keep going on that thought process,& a flex-tail could be a possibility. . .
Once again,don't "can" new/different materials,just modify the "set in stone" approach the industry/clients at times have,& use logic & an open mind in our use/approach to new innovations in our sport-(lifestyle)

[analbirth]

Krusty, we might continue this convo by pm eh.

ss, the rest of us are used to CK, he's mostly harmless

for serious waves you just need to thin em down take some meat out of the rails and change the weave you use, problem solved so i've found anyway.
For small to med. wave boards [beachies] i've been leaving a bit of meat in through the middle & tail while keeping the rails thin from the nose to just behind your knees then keeping the rails near the tail a bit chunky and getting some incredible speed even through what would normally be dead spots in the wave and this is directly from the corkiness of the eps. You just have to use it in a different way. AB

[ss54]

AB,can you expand on your "change the weave you use"

Plus the pro's & cons of them(twill,satin & plain)

I use a uni directional carbon core & S glass outer for my fins (single)

& would love to source a 6oz satin weave carbon,(use FGI/Tokay, plain

weave),plus the 2oz Innegra we have is satin weave,& feel for flexspoons,a

satin weave carbon cloth,would be great,but haven't come across it in

Oz,I'm wondering if guys in the U.S have access to it,or have you

AB,come across 6oz satin weave carbon here in Oz?If so,what would the

cost per yard amount to?

At present we get 6oz plain carbon, for $45 per metre(1040 mm wide )

[krustyknee]

SS 54
I'm very interested in the Epoxy carbon weave kneeboards
Could you attach photos of your boards??

[analbirth]

ss, i've only used 6oz twill and flat i'm assuming the "plain" is flat weave.
I only use the twill for my semi - gun boards as the twill is a stronger, more dense weave, it retains more epoxy making it stiffer and slightly heavier which is great for bigger waves, they handle the bumps better as well, only drawback is it doesn't like to bend around sharp lines as well as flat, but that can be overcome.As for satin haven't come across it but can ask. There is a 4oz flat which is like tissue paper.
I've found the 6oz flat better for your everyday board as it has great flex over the length of the board. Which gives them longevity as well. Don't know how this will help as i'm not making spoons single layers of cloth behave a lot different to laminates. It all takes time to get it right but thats where the fun is. Taking a newby out for it's maiden - priceless AB

[ss54]

Thanks for the reply AB,regarding your "hassle/drawback"with the use of

Twill Carbon,we(Steve Rice of Sealines in Capel.WA,& myself),are vacuum

bagging all the carbon boards.The results,for a small amount of extra

"rooting around",are STUNNING !My boards(minus the fin) come out at 6lbs,&

thats with 3 layers of 6oz,top & bottom,plus the spine,& rail

reinforcements.


Will be using less carbon next build,as we are using some 2oz Innegra.As

well as pulling out excess resin,it also eliminates any minute airbubbles,

AND

wraps the carbon around the rails & the "Strakes",plus the single into

double concave,beautifully. . .

So mate,may I suggest you give V/Bagging,some thought. . .

Enjoy breaking in the new steed,another "Black Beauty",in the paddock. .

About pics of my board,WAKA kindly posted a few pics for me(couldn't

sort the shrinking of pics, "carry-on"),so if you can't find his posts,PM

me,& I'll email them through

[analbirth]

I've still got a queensland cedar vac baged single fin i made in circa 1980 i think i posted some pics a while back i hear it's back in style