WORLD EVENT PRACTISE

[Ler]

I wouldn't know what to do, if it got overhead or broke right

stop spending so much time in the kiddie pool aka bolsa heh heh

It a OC curse for sure!

[Bud]

Hmmmmmmm...........

As I remember there are a couple places in OC that would have waves similar to the comp venu.

Somewhere between O-Side and HB I think.
And San Diego has some as well.

word is that scientists speculate that chickens are a distant relative of the mighty T- REx

A little genetic retro engineering and we could get'm back!
Looks like some folks are trying...........

[Jack Beresford]

Bud - since this "event" will likely take place without jerseys, horns, permits or water patrols a priority is being placed on a low-key venue where we can operate under the radar as much as possible (for SoCal). I doubt that could happen at many of the places you're thinking of! It is a good idea, however, for guys to find those mushy, head-high rights - ideally with lots of kelp and freezing ass cold water - on their own time.

Jack

[KAVA]

sounds like a mex trip to me?

[WillP]

Sounds like a walk down the street to me.

[Ler]

sounds like a mex trip to me?

I'm scared. I'll stick to Bolsa

[Bud]

Hmmmmm.......

Still no answer to question #2.

2) What are the judging criteria for the event?
(IE Is flailing considered good surfing and style etc.......?)

As I remember, at last year's KSUSA Santa Cruz event judges were instructed to score less for anyone that grabbed their rail.
Worse, was that particular bit of info wasn't made clear to all the competitors.

Shouldn't the judging criteria be made clear before the event so competitors can tune up appropriately?

Here's the current ASP judging criteria............

"A surfer must perform radical controlled manoeuvres in the critical section of a wave with Speed, Power and Flow to maximize scoring potential. Innovative / Progressive surfing as well as Variety of Repertoire ( manoeuvres ),will be taken into consideration when rewarding points for waves ridden.
The surfer who executes this criteria with the maximum Degree of Difficulty and Commitment on the waves shall be rewarded with the higher scores."

Note that the ASP surfers themselves had voted to make it clear that competitors scored lower for squirmy, girating, flapping, flailing weak nonflowing surfing.

Is anyone amongst the competitive kneeboard surfers out there opposed to such a ruling?

Again,

WHAT ARE THE JUDGING CRITERIA FOR THIS YEAR'S WORLD TITLE EVENT?

Anybody.........?

[skansand]

squirming/ girating is just my thing!! put me in the "special" judging criteria j/k

[albert]

WHAT ARE THE JUDGING CRITERIA FOR THIS YEAR'S WORLD TITLE EVENT?

Anybody.........?

Why should it be any different from the ASP criteria?

[barry]

that sounds like the proper criteria to me.

and by the way.
during the first or second night of the last 2 years events the head judge did go over the interference rules and judging criterias.
it is possible that some contestants were not present, not paying attention or that they were just too busy drinking

and as for the rail grabbing, there is a time and place for it

I think what was actually said was that
grabbing rail for the entire ride would earn you a lesser score because it creates the appearance that you are not entirely in control.

like in Buds post where it says maximum degree of difficulty.

It is possible that some people interpreted (or missinterpreted) the conversation.
So if there was any confusion the concerned individuals should have discussed it with the head judge at that time

[skansand]

Bee,
....if there was a kneeboard contest at blacks surely an angry local would climb the bluff with a sniper rifle and start shooting down kneelos!!! ....it almost happened at the 1st standup contest at blacks....i dont even play,seriously.....the whacko was up there with a loaded rifle but got tackled and pinned by one of the contestants before he shot anyone.....read an article on it in the BIG surfermag that got passed out at the us open a couple years back....

[KAVA]

and as for the rail grabbing, there is a time and place for it

I think what was actually said was that
grabbing rail for the entire ride would earn you a lesser score because it creates the appearance that you are not entirely in control

I just hope for your sake the judges are clear on it. would hate to see a judge that marks off for grabbing the rail on an air move

[Greg Little]

Barry thanks for clarifying the rail grab situation. I do remember something to that effect, but I was drinking to much and not paying attention
Is there going to be an A.D.D. division??
Greg...

[Bud]

Barry,
Thanks for the detailed response.
That puts more light on how the KSUSA event worked.
You mention it was brought up in a conversation.

My reading of your reply lends me to believe that it wasn't officially written down.

Shouldn't it be?

Sure it "sounds" like good criteria.............

Albert,
Exactly..............Why should it be any different for the Kneeboard World comp?

But, I don't think anyone should assume they are now standard, across the board, for any event.

Those ASP criteria are fairly new, as of the 2005 season.
For more details see.....
http://64.78.18.131/asp2005/2006criteria.asp?rView=w

In my conversations with several top ASP pros, they were trying to bring up the level of surfing by rewarding people for stellar innovative performances, making it more difficult for people who formerly were getting by on a patented mechanical approach.

It was a long standing sore spot, with most of the surfers, that people were getting knocked out by guys who surfed a mechanical routine formed around the old judging criteria........IE The most maneuvers completed, in the most critical part of the wave, longest ride and largest wave.

This from the ASP page on (the nerw) Judging Criteria.........
WCT surfers, set out to free up the criteria with the dual objectives of further rewarding progressive surfing and introducing a reward system based on demonstrating variety of repetoire and linking maneurvres together, still in the critical sections of the`wave, in a seamless flow of power and speed.

The judging criteria is not in print on any info regarding the World Kneeboard event.

My point is that, the criteria (what ever they actually are) should be made clear in an official way.....

& ASAP.

[Jack Beresford]

Bud - I've PM'd Tom Linn, the contest director, and asked him to clarify the criteria (be patient, sounds like he's on his death bed). I agree this would be helpful. In addition, there will be a briefing for all competitors immediately before the event.

We've run three major (60+ competitors) international events in the past three years at these venues with minimal complaints. The judges and other contest officials we've hire have been top notch. As long as there are contests, there will be debates about criteria. I don't think this means we shouldn't keep trying to improve upon it but you've got to keep some perspective.

Jack