Qualifying for worlds 2011?

albert · Post by **albert** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:57 pm

MALLEE BULL wrote: Wonder if the stand up guys have the same problems

The standups have a very different system, each country can ONLY select two or four competitors per division (opens, juniors, etc.). The onus is on each country's governing body to select these surfers. This system is obviously not applicable to kneeboarding (otherwise the worlds would be contested by ~15 people). And thus reinforcing Steeno's remark;

It limits an already limited gathering.

I think a more applicable example lie in other competitive activities with low numbers (goat boating, bodysurfing, etc.). To my knowledge, all of these do not restrict numbers going into a worlds event.

DYdamo wrote: what IS the agenda............??????

I think this one is pretty self explanatory, the KSA does not want to lose numbers in upcoming events for people 'saving up' (e.g. holiday time, money, brownie points) for the worlds. This is purely speculative of me, not being part of the powers that be in the KSA. However, if there is one thing I have learnt is that blindly creating policy with a sole purpose to serve one aspect of the sport is very inefficient as it will more likely adversely affect other aspects of the sport. In other words, by aiming to optimise the number of entrants into KSA (recognised?, acknowledged?) events you actually reduce the number of potential entries into the worlds.

I also think this topic hasnt been explored from a long term perspective. For many of you this may seem like a new policy development, but in fact this ball started rolling a long time ago. At the 2004 worlds in Tahiti there were several competitors from Australia who, after not having entered a KSA event in years, simply showed up, paid their entry fee and surfed in the contest. No hassles or repercussions at all. Maybe someone who has been around longer can enlighten us as to whether this has occurred prior to 2004?

As a tangent to this last point, has anyone from Australia (who has not yet 'qualified' or is able to) actually bothered to enter the event regardless of this policy? whats gonna happen if you do? what are the possible repercussions?

In other words, how will this policy be policed, if at all?

drift-on · Post by **drift-on** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:30 am

Can I please remind people that one of the criteria
is also to contact the KSA or john directly for an exemption from these criteria.

jdc · Post by **jdc** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:44 am

MALLEE BULL wrote:Seems like a few people are looking for a free ride.

mR bULL- you know why the bull is often in the paddock by himself while the cows all hang out having a natter and chewing cud

cos the bull gets all manly

i think your missing a couple of points regarding kneelos who want to be routine contest goers and kneelos who would like to join the worlds celebration as a one off festival and do kneelo organisations represent all kneelos and will these organisations be the catalyst for the preservation of kneeboarding or will kneeboarding be preserved by more all encompassing situations like THIS SITE

a world event should be like a world music festval

all the rules and regulations just pull kneeboarding into line with a mainstream that does not recognise it in the first place

sure club circuits need to be regulated but the one off could and should be deregulated...then Steens idea of something within something might happen

jdc · Post by **jdc** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:49 am

drift-on wrote:Can I please remind people that one of the criteria
is also to contact the KSA or john directly for an exemption from these criteria.

could the criteria for exemption be transparent or is it a case by case situation judged by officials?

MALLEE BULL · Post by **MALLEE BULL** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:51 am

HOOK,LINE AND SINKER. Heading for 10 pages:lol:

AT LEAST THE BULLS GET TO SERVE THE COWS WHEN NEEDED

So what happens with insurance if one of the cows gets hurt.As i said before Wild cards or invites instead of having a whinge
Suggest or find a way to do it.

womble · Post by **womble** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:46 am

Old Crazy likes the music festival idea ... very summer of luurve ... ever so groovy far out n cool ... turn on tune in drop out ... not in ... man ... don't Bogart that joint.
Festival of the knee ... Kneestock ... Eclectic Kneelo Land ... The Last Knee ... Knee-aid ... not a band-aid ... tailor-made for Penguin Island ... let your freak flag fly ... its only castles burning.
Come one come all ... Kneeanderthals unite ... or untie if your dyslexic.
Live the dream and scream ... scream into the face ... the farce that is mindless mainstream moronic monotony.
Or take those pill the doctor prescribed.
No don't ... but if you do ... wash them down with a pint of vodka and a bucket bong chaser.
Thats better ... where were we ... that right ... Dark Side of the Knee ... Knee-Rex ... David Bowknee ... Jimknee Hendrix ... The Grateful knee ... The Velvet Underknee ... Bob Marl-knee ... excuse me whilst I light my spliff ... on god I've gotta take a lift ... to Philip Island ... mun.
Easy skankin ... skankin it ... skankin it ... skankin it slow.
Reflector aviators ... flared jeans and a poncho ... long hair and a porno mustache ... now where did I put that flex-tail single fin.

jdkneelo · Post by **jdkneelo** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:49 am

I,m sure i remember not to long ago you had to enter at lest 2 events to qualify. B ut then again i,m from QLD SO MAYBE I,M A BIT SLOW

Johnboy Walton · Post by **Johnboy Walton** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:06 am

I'll take it to 10..... pages, or there abouts, but more for amusement than any other reason. Still no help with my question about entering as a UK competitor?

I wasn't whinging, but I could. I'd planned, due to work and family commitments to do Coffs and PI as my qualifying events, with no Coffs event that leaves PI - I don't have time to go to SA, NZ or Qld for the remainder of the qualification contests - not a whinge, its just the way it is.

Insurance? I might not go in every KSA contest going, but I'm a member of Surfing Aust. Which covers me, no? And free ride, how does that work?

[sh#t, didn't get it to 10 pages!!]

jdc · Post by **jdc** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:33 am

ah, womble,

try a little Putumayo record lable in general but i recommend something from Mali in particular

why be so musically white bread

drift-on · Post by **drift-on** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:05 am

I never really read these forums and was amazed to see
so many pages of effort on this topic.
I totally understand everyones concern.
The opportunity to compete in a world titles and represent
your country is a very special thing.
I am the surfers rep, and want this position to be excatly that..
A Rep..a representative of the surfers for the surfers..
If you have any ideas, questions, queries, misunderstandings etc etc
I am here to help.
Don't hesitate to contact me, and i will try to help to the best of my ability.
You can private email me for a phone contact.
To answer your question,
Yes the criteria is transparent,
and yes it will be determined case by case.
With all reasons brought forward taken on their individual merit.
So just make the call/ email and put your mind to rest.
cheers
Mark McLeod

MALLEE BULL · Post by **MALLEE BULL** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:09 am

Womble also have Boneknee M,Fisher Knee,Knee Order,Wah Wah Knee Midknee Oil and moony moore

Well said Mark
For sale one soap box as i don't need it any more

crox · Post by **crox** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:20 am

Gosh that takes me back ....I saw Joknee Mitchell & Crossknee, Stills, Kneesh & Young at the Wemknee Stadium back in the early sevenknees......& I've got lots of flex tails....can I come?

crox · Post by **crox** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:37 am

When I first got to woodknee we were half a million strong............imagine there's no qualification.......it's easknee if you try...........living in harmoknee........

Mike Fernandez · Post by **Mike Fernandez** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:13 am

Page 10 yet? Let me reiterate when I started this mess, I hope I did anyway

that I think breaks should only be given to people who live more than a two hour plane trip to qualifying contests. Remember, most kneelos are not groms living with daddy's money, they have responsibillities/families, although I wouldn't know.

I am speaking as a person of the world, not trying to meddle in Australian internal affairs.

Mike Fernandez · Post by **Mike Fernandez** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:55 am

Just got an e-mail from a friend who might have been offended in my last remark about "groms and daddy's money". To avoid possibly offending anyone, I will post my response to the unidentified person.

"Hmmmm, not sure how you could take offense. I was referring to the young ASP guys who live near the ocean, and live at home, therefore making themselves more likely to be in contests. I think the kneelo organizers, and others think kneelo's should be the same way, but the majority are older family man/woman types, some who live far from the ocean, or the qualifying comps. So my argument is to give these people a free ride into the Worlds. I completely understand your situation (family man), so I don't understand why you would take offense."

I personally have made a couple long distance flights to the comps to qualify, so I am not looking for a personal favor.
If I am still not getting my point across, well I gave it a shot.