headwax wrote:
You better do a Pauline Hanson for me Prof
hart
im guessing
...."please explainnnne"......
for those not in the know
Pauline Hanson = very silly right wing former politician who has arguably turned Australia into a inward viewing xenophobic racist society by planting a seed that more seasoned politicians fed and watered (John Howard et al)
a journalist asked Pauline if she was xenophobic - and she replied,"please explain"...what that means
now a legendary moment amongst the politicaly minded
headwax wrote:
I wasn't sure if you were suggesting that the guy who could hassle most, and paddle the fastest, had 1 the last couple of comps.
Versus the guy who surfed the best according to his peer group (on the day, at the "contest")?
I believe thats the idea, changes in the judging criteria are attempting to give credit to the best surfer, not the best hassler/paddler. In the past, hassling and being a good aggressive paddler in the water were absolutely essential to be a good contest surfer.
Not so much nowadays, and hopefully in the future it wont be a factor at all. This can, in my opinion, totally be attributed to changes in the judging criteria.
Albert,
"Guys have been doing these things for years." Too right, but we seemed (on the whole)to forget that and start copying stand up surfing to the detriment of this individual side of kneeboarding.
Dunc
Fuller, R. Buckminster (Richard Buckminster Fuller), 1895—1983, American architect and engineer, b. Milton, Mass. Fuller devoted his life to the invention of revolutionary technological designs aimed at solving problems of modern living.
I guess he was considered a rennaissance man, the greenough analogy fits pretty well I think.
He also wrote a lot of books... the quote on my signature I got from a skateboarding magazine
Albert
I don't know about hassling but it seems that one would always have to be a good paddler. In that some waves may be more lined up allowing the opportunity for several big or creative moves with speed, vs other waves that may be shorter or not as hollow or whatever. Certainly everyone would want to catch the wave(s) that give the best opportunity to score, so good paddling ability and positioning seem like they would always be essential strategies.
Although the numbers of surfers and time limitations would prevent it, it seems you'd have to go to 2 person heats or come up with some creative priority system that rotated fairly amongst those in the heat to shift the focus to surfing, where it should be.
brad
southpeakbrad wrote:Albert
I don't know about hassling but it seems that one would always have to be a good paddler.
Being a good paddler helps for catching waves, yes... but it also helps to paddle around people when you think you need that wave and want to desperately keep your opponents off said wave.... (aka Hassling) instead of taking turns as it happens in heats nowadays sometimes like I mentioned earlier.
southpeakbrad wrote:Although the numbers of surfers and time limitations would prevent it, it seems you'd have to go to 2 person heats or come up with some creative priority system that rotated fairly amongst those in the heat to shift the focus to surfing, where it should be.
brad
You mean like the priority system used by the WCT??? where they have somehow figured out a system where surfers dont use their priority to hassle each other out of waves...
I think on this one we are both saying the same thing...
I also think this topic has unfortunately taken a turn more towards eithics in competitive surfing.. and I think we wrote aboujt this a lot on this topic. viewtopic.php?t=730&highlight=hassling
if your talking about a fair system then ethics must be apart of that - if there is no actual law and method of control, to outlaw a tactic, then one must rely on the fair sports nature of the other not to employ this within the rules, but frowned upon method
if a new criteria is attempting to overide a tactic then perhaps ethics do not apply as one is simply following rules, not having to applying a sportspersons sense of fairness cos they are innate to the criteria/rules
ethics in contests, in my opinion are intertwined
- did you here about the Red Baron in ww1 - didnt shoot down the enemy if the other pilot had signled that he'd run out of bullets - see you tommorrow with a gun full then!!!
urban myth maybe - but a lot of war stories from a bygone era of chivelry mention similar
surfing is no blood sport but sometimes the intensity of the competitiors even in free surfing would make one think different - people have punch ups in the water and i once read about a bloke in Hawaii who thumbed a women cos if she was gunna mix it with the boys then she copped like the others - guys that is
