quad question?

[Steeno]

hi evryone

had a great day to day down the south coast of NSW for the NZ v's Aust. Junior Challenge. We had 8 juniors from each country contesting the challenge. Myself, Kenny Stapo, Simon Farrer, Albert Munoz and Troy Simpson, Rob Slater went surfing with the groms and held their tasman challenge. Murray Weir of NZ showed his commitement to Junior Kneeboarding Developement by bringing out these young guys who are showing tremendous talent, our guys did well with Mat Novokov leading the way with our groms. This being an U19 event, all our guys where under 16 and the NZ boys looking like they could have been part of the NZ all blacks rugby team. Full credit to NZ boys for taking out this years challenge. anyway.

Dave-How are you mate? hope your well. Your right, if your used to putting lotsa effort into carving your board around, you would have overpowered the four finner very easily, get it back and use it on those days when you would belly board it or even in a really fat 2-3ft surf, it will still work.

Mark-Good to hear from you-I was riding a five finner at the worlds but the reason why, to me now is more obvious! I was also overpowering the four fin setup and the fifth fin stabiliser was my compensating fin. Parkesy being the all knowledgable master he is, made it for me especially to surf the crappy waves they get in Queensland. when its on in Queensland its alltime, when its not-its crap. At that stage I still did not understand the four finner properly, but now I do. thanks for the compliment to.

Jack-I dont think you have to many things to worry about-seriously

Crox-Your right aswell, Dave is a freak. Dave is a great mate of mine, and I love the way he thinks. I have surfed with, against and for Dave, for many years and will continue to do so. He is a very giving, naturally talented, creative, and down to earth human being you will ever meet.

Brad-correct aswell-speed and timing is everything.

Beeline-you should change your name to "the thinker" awesome. You nailed it,
fins near the tail=rail tail drive=one stage carves
fins up the board=pivotal fin turns=more nursing
lets start about rocker with these setups in a new forum?
your fish theory is also solid

PS this only my view

[DrStrange]

OY! Skip a day and the thread runs on. Good thing I asked. Seems from what I'm getting here that its sort of backwards from what I thought. I definitely want a board that lays over and carves on a buried rail. Not so interested in the quick snap direction changes from the tail. Though it also seems that how board rides depends on total of variables and so really not so much can be said in regards to one (i.e. fin number) without taking all into consideration (i.e. fin placement, rocker, tail shape, overall plan shape, rail shape etc.)??? Does sound like the consensus is that 2 and 4 finners turn flat with a body torque and 3 fins turn laid over with a lean...???


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[Steeno]

posted two pics in the gallery, of roosters coming of two similar waves of two similar sizes, I know this is not a rule, but have a look at the difference between the four fin pic and thruster pic.

remember this is only my view-you can make your own decision

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for the protection of the surfers pictured-they shall remain anonymous

[Beeline2.0]

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[DrStrange]

DrStrange wrote:
Does sound like the consensus is that 2 and 4 finners turn flat with a body torque and 3 fins turn laid over with a lean...???

Thats not the consensus at all.....depends on who your' getting
your boards from .

That Truism is true for Parkes.
opposite truism for Blast

So I reckon the other thing I guessed would be true; not so much 3 vs 4 fins but rather the total of all the variables makes the diff.[/quote]

[fooj]

Up until last summer I had only ridden 3 fins Oz and U.S. My U.S. styled were very tight, to a fault, but man could they be pushed hard in a big roundhouse. My Oz styled (local made and a Parkes) are loose but definitely on-rail surfing boards. Their looseness requires cutbacks and various other maneuvers in stages to maintain control. Recently (since June 03) I've been riding Blast quads. They are very fast and stable. On my 5'7" F2K I've committed to what I can honestly say are the 2 most satisfying roundhouse/rebounding cutties I've ever done. Not stage cutbacks, but full-rail-burning-fin-pushing-wave-annihilating-if-i could-bottle-the-feeling-I'd-be-a-billionaire cutbacks. I get chills just thinking about each one.

I do believe Dave Parkes could make an Oz thruster that would give a similar experience. I just haven't ridden one. So yeah I think you're right DrStrange tuning plays a big part.

[DrStrange]

full-rail-burning-fin-pushing-wave-annihilating-if-i could-bottle-the-feeling-I'd-be-a-billionaire cutbacks

Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!!

[Bud]

After browsing some of the discussions here, I realize too many of you believe "you know" how 4 fins and tri-fins work.

NOT ALL FIN ARRANGEMENTS WORK THE SAME!
Fins can be arranged to get a variety of different turning actions.

There are too many other variables to discuss here but if some of you think all 4 fin designs turn flat then check this image out carefully.
http://www.blasthawaii.com/photo_pg/Haw ... hawaii.jpg
The board (built in 1987) is 5'5 1/2" long X 22" wide with a 10" wide swallow tail.
Each of the 4 fins are roughly 3 1/2" deep with the same dimensions for base width.

Does this look like a flatish turn?
The venue is HUGE Pipeline. To pull a turn like this there, on a wave this big and hollow, is supremely and extremely difficult. There hasn't been a kneeboarder capable and willing to do this for nearly 20 years.
Lee Pattison was the last and had COMPLETE confidense in the boards I built him. All 4 fins.

Check out many of the other shots, on my website, of Lee Pattison, Mike McGuire, Greg Holzman etc, riding my type of 4 fin board design. You'll see that they also go verticle, redirect and throw heaps of spray, very well.

There has yet to be anyone who has surfed Pipeline on a tri-fin kneeboard and pulled these kinds of turns.
Come prove your "theories" and put your designs to THE TEST.

[fooj]

Hi Bud,
What kind of bottom did that board have and how thick was it? We need some crazies in our ranks, it gets boring watching boggie boarders and standups dominate Big Pipe.

[Bud]

Howzit Jeff,

The board had a V-bottom and was about 2 1/2" thick.
It was built for Lee's weight at the time.......170 lbs.
He's 5'9" tall.

Sadly he doesn't surf any more.

[fooj]

Thanks Bud,
See you at the gathering.

[Steeno]

jfooj- Dave does make boards that do this. I have my thruster fin placement close to the tail, with alot of rake in the twins, with full size third fin. I am the only one Dave makes boards for this way, all his other produced thrusters have fins up the board and do require stage turns, in solid surf, like my four finner. hence the fin placement (not the number)makes the board turn flat.

fins near the tail=rail tail drive=one stage carves-solid waves
fins up the board=pivotal fin turns=more nursing-fat waves

Sure there is more details to it than just this. Like Bud said, "a swallow tail", for more bottom turn bite, "base width of you fins" etc....the list goes on.

Gday Bud
Just some questions! Did that board that lee is riding (awesome pic) have the fins up the board or closer to the tail? from the pic it looks like there close to the tail, and would't the swallow also make it bite some more in that position? Would this board have performed the same way, with the fins up the board? Where do the other guys who ride your four finners have there fin placement? and where are they situated to the tail? Also what is the spacing between the side fins, do they overlap or spaced,are they different sizes ie basewidth?

also, like beeline pointed out to me about my four finner, the one lee is riding also looks like a specialty board

Aloha

remember, just my point of view

[Beeline2.0]

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[hart]

Hello all..

What a hot pic..The surfer shows true style and guts and confidence in his equipment.

But for anyone who thinks that no surfer for 20 years (?) would do this, they haven't met a guy called Simon Farrer or seen him surf. And that's only because PC is no longer with us, otherwise I would say there's at least two.. and I'm not even counting.

hart