Lis style fish kneeboard

surfhorn · Post by **surfhorn** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:17 pm

I hope thats not "Rage against the (knee)machine." lol

Beeline2.0 · Post by **Beeline2.0** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:28 pm

Don · Post by **Don** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:58 pm

Beeline / ParkerDavidson -

Please keep this topic on track. Opinions are fine... just letting you know this is boardering (pun intended) topic moderation...

Don

Steeno · Post by **Steeno** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:23 pm

I think parkerdavidson took beeline the wrong way, this is the first time kneeboarders worldwide have been able to chat together about things we love and to bounce kneelo ideas of each other. Other areas of surfing, re: boogies, standing, malibus, goatboats etc have all had a mainstream corporate backing, where kneelos haven't. We are all excited about keeping the kneelo stoke going, the only way this will happen is with other kneelo's stoke, not a corporate backing to promote us, so I dont think it is wrong for us guys to stay focused on expanding the knowledge of our own sport, sure ride a mat if you like to, sure ride a kneelo if you like to. But if we want to make posts about what we love, then so be it.

If you dont get the response your looking for about surfing mats, rather than knock us down and get bitchy, maybe you are just on the wrong forum site.

kneeboarders aren't a machine, we are a community dedicated to what we love and thats all. Keep it real.

Beeline2.0 · Post by **Beeline2.0** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:57 pm

surfhorn · Post by **surfhorn** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:11 pm

In California, kayaks and surf skis are expressly forbidden in the surf zone per State of California Boating & Navigation law. Don't let those paddle-flailing, hodad boat-heads tell you otherwise.

See, now ya got me going on a wrong topic - wrong site.

Jacksquid · Post by **Jacksquid** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:42 pm

(Don't let those paddle-flailing, hodad boat-heads tell you otherwise.)

In response to the above by Surfhorn:

Dude, I had so much respect for you, and still do, but that is a little narrow-minded in my opinion. Personally, I think a true waterman is anyone who develops a proficiency in the water on multiple levels - body surfing, boardsurfing, rough water swims, sponging, KBing, freediving, waveskiing, etc. While I love KBing because of the intimacy with the wave, getting shacked in 2XOH while seat-belted into a 7'6" epoxy ski is not done by "paddle-flailing ho-dads." Until you do it, don't knock it. Respect is still earned one wave at a time. Granted, there are barneys at every level, but please don't lump everyone who doesn't do what you do into the enemy camp.

Squid

W.G. Facenda · Post by **W.G. Facenda** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:55 pm

Almost all surfers that i have known have always been stoked that I just love wave riding and that was enough for them.Most of my lifelong friends will body surf, mat ride, longboard, windsurf ,shortboard-whatever it should NEVER matter .Why would it?Sure this is a kneeboarding forum but,an open mind is how we all started.....

john - · Post by **john -** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:52 am

hi squid

my own angst re surf skis is perhaps a common one - spongers, short boarders, mal riders and kneelos have arms and legs and some flippers. Put a person with a generally longer craft and paddles in to that mix and the advantage is huge against the above mentioned 4 styles

In the sydney to hobart yacht race the maxi always crosses the line first! however, the race is won on handicap! there is no handicap when surfing on a short board against someone taking off ??? 10 meters behind everyone else and being able to paddle back in time to catch the best of the next set!

if i attempted to gain skill on all possible water craft i would not be a water man id be divorced and broke!!!!!! - broke first, in time, knowledge/skill and money

you maybe a fair man on a ski so good on you if so - and spread the word

dorje

- more to say but the very lovely mother of the kids wants the computer and i want to surf munyana

:wink:

K-man · Post by **K-man** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:37 am

My dear fellow and fellowettes,a bit more on the alternative wave riding equipment.I reaaalllllyyy don't believe anyone would actually deny others the fun of playing in the ocean.
The problem is the ''lack of experience'' -wave knowledge-understanding priority-all the usual stuff we learn over a no. of years.
It's not fun watching some poor kid,with his chord wrapped around a boat getting dragged for 30 feet under water.Had to call our local aid vehicle.A woman speared in the neck,paralyzed neck down medivacked[chopper]to a near-by hospital She recovered.
40 something men in yaks dominating the break-scowling at the poor little kiddies out for the weekend
JET SKIS

in the surf zone

That was two years ago,and through various agencies some of the problems have been solved.No jet skis within the gulf of the farallones national marine sanctuary,unless for safety and water rescue.Yak clubs have safety training and water knowledge,part of the requirements.
Those that refused to listen;well, there are lessons to be learned,the hard way,and there are those who would gladly be the teacher

There are a few yaks,shoes.etc that are really good at what they do,some are river guys,is that stuff cool or what

They understand-I come to your back yard,I'll respect your space.I do the same wherever I go.WAKEUP DAMMIT -I'm almost done-but I wiil not be ignored

DOC.-where th ell are ya.look at the buoys

Sunday through thursday 6pm till dark.North peak-groin all the way the drift! This is june,very unusual.

100+yd rides.+-shoulder to bigger sets.If I didn't see it I wouldn't believe it

Where's that blast phish

The tip is shhhhhh-late evening-gotta know the tides also

DrStrange · Post by **DrStrange** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:55 am

K-man, I'm a workin' stiff. Tight schedule. Old man time. Only a few small windows I can get to the surf. Close to 1 1/2 hours to Bobolandia from my house and up here, 30 mph NW winds around the clock on nakedly exposed beach break. Not a pretty picture.

surfhorn · Post by **surfhorn** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:59 am

Jacksquid-- In reality, kayaks or other vessels that uses oars or paddles have no place in the lineup. This is not just an off the wall opinion but a matter of fact and law.

The State of California Harbor & Navigation regulations expressly forbid any of the aforementioned vessels in the area of bathers.

I also truly believe that a surfer should be well rounded. I've kneeboaded since the 1960's and also shortboard and longboard. I am a past California Body surfing champ in the Open Mens division. No matter the size of wave - I can hold my own. but kayaks ans surf skiis are not wave riding vehicles in the eye of the law.

Since 1971 I have been involved with environmental protection and beach/wave access as a biogeographer. I have worked for The Nature Conservancy, the U.S. National Park Service, the Center for law in the Public Interest, the Public Justice Foundation as well as founded the Environmental Branch of the Western Surfing Associaiton (1976) and am a cofounder of the Surfrider Foundation (1984-89).

I am intimately aware of the legal standing of the wave riding public and have dealt with kayaks, jet skiis, power boats and other craft for many years.

Any craft using a paddle or oar cannot legally operate when around any swimmers or surfers - period. Califorinia State Beaches have the option of designating areas where kayaks or canoes may operate but usually won't due to the fact that if just one bather (which surfers are considered) enteres the water then the kayaks are out of there. It is easier just to not allow them. Anywhere else besides a State beach, they are forbidden.

My trouble with kayakers is their attitidue that they should be allowed everywhere and that they don not endanger surfers. Wrong. Kayakers come off a selfish,..........they can boat on streams, lakes, ponds, rivers, sloughs, esturaries, coastlines and the open ocean. Now they want the narrow band of waterway that surfers are limited to. In Santa Cruz they portray themselves as just misunderstood citizens who haven't hurt anyone and are unfairly set upon by the mean - mean surfers.

I give no quarter to kayakers. They are a hazard to all others in the water. That is the reason for state law.

Heres a site for research:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calaw ... y=&hits=20

Yours,
Dan Young

K-man · Post by **K-man** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:03 am

Doc,

In my exuberance to share the bounty,I ocasionally forget that not everyone has the time,or patience to spend that amount of time traveling.It's my backyard,and have the ability to do as I please,whenever I please.Didn't mean to rub it in

Anyway I'll catch a few for ya

K

still, would like to see the board

DrStrange · Post by **DrStrange** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:35 am

"One of these days..." I phoned 2mile Surf shop this a.m. w/ Bodgea bouy readings at 9+ feet and the kid said Bobo was knee high. You just gots the Bobo karma you dog. I have gotten my share in days gone by (small comfort now). But one of these days I'll be down there for a surf. Did you get my pm about Monday? For maybe 1 or 1:30? Me in hippie town?

When oh when will this acursed wind die, on Lord? Was pretty much Victory at Sea yesterday at Salmon and points north...

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